Re: Health Canada issues warning about MMS

Silverfox,

Thanks for replying to my post, lets see if we can all get on the same page - I will post my comments throughout your response in block letters to make my points RELEVANTLY obvious to yours:

YOUR WROTE:
Your rebuttal is "flush with errors and misunderstandings" too... This leads me to believe that your research and studies are lacking too.

IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT TO "TRULY" BE AN EXPERT AT ANYTHING, ONE MUST DEVOTE AT LEAST 10 YEARS TO THE STUDY - I HAVE ONLY BEEN INTRODUCED TO THIS FOR 1.5 YEARS AND WILL NOT PROFESS EXPERT KNOWLEDGE UNTIL I TRULY BELIEVE I HAVE ATTAINED SUCH "EXPERTNESS" BUT I DO KNOW MORE THAN MOST, AND THOSE WHO RELEASED THE WARNING KNOW FAR LESS THAN EVEN ME

Your comment "MMS is a diluted sodium chlorite solution" is not correct. Miracle-Mineral-Supplement is a 28% (by weight) sodium chlorite solution that is dangerous to handle and ship.

TO ARGUE WITH SEMANTICS YOU MUST REALIZE THAT ANYTHING LESS THAN 100% IS DILUTED - BY DEFINITION 28% OF ANY ACTIVE INGREDIENT IS DILUTED - ALSO, A 28% LIQUID SODIUM CHLORITE SOLUTION IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE CONCERNS OF A 100% POWDER SODIUM CHLORITE FLAKES - THE DILUTED SOLUTION IS NOT FLAMMABLE - IT IS NOT DANGEROUS (CHLORINE DIOXIDE IS DANGEROUS IN THIS REGARD, BUT AGAIN - AT A 10%+ SATURATION AS A GAS, "CHLORINE DIOXIDE" IS DANGEROUS AT THAT LEVEL - NOT SODIUM CHLORITE, AND DEFINITELY NOT DILUTED SODIUM CHLORITE) - CHECK THE EPA'S HANDLING GUIDE AND MSDS FROM ANY CHEMICAL COMPANY - ITS ALL THERE, YOU JUST HAVE TO REALIZE THE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT TECHNICAL WORDS YOU ARE READING (NO OFFENSE).

This is an industrial strength concentration and concentrations like this have been used in industry for years.

NO, A 15 DROP DOSE OF Miracle-Mineral-Supplement IN A GLASS OF WATER RENDERS A 50 PPM DOSE OF CHLORINE DIOXIDE - INDUSTRIAL DISINFECTANT USES APPROACH 500 PPM.

Over the years, safe handling procedures have been developed as well as safe shipping labeling and packaging. I believe the highest industrial concentration offered is a 35% solution, so the 28% is right up there with the most highly concentrated sodium chlorite solutions available.

YOU SHOULD CHECK WITH BOTH BRENNTAG OR OXICHEM (OR ANY OTHER CHEMICAL COMPANY) TO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT ON CONCENTRATIONS - USE THEIR SEARCH WINDOWS AND TYPE IN "SODIUM CHLORITE". NO ONE SELLS CHLORINE DIOXIDE, ONLY CHLORINE DIOXIDE PRODUCING EQUIPMENT - DUE TO THE FLAMMABLE CONCERNS - AGAIN - CHECK YOU FACTS BEFORE YOU POKE HOLES IN OTHER'S POINTS - YOU END UP SPOT-LIGHTING YOURSELF.

In contrast, a 2% sodium chlorite solution is considered dilute, is much safer to handle, and has fewer shipping concerns.

SAFER? SURE, BUT IN WHAT CONTEXT AND WHAT EFFICIENCY - I COULD TAKE A 10TH OF AN ASPIRIN, BUT THAT WON'T MAKE THE HEADACHE GO AWAY, SAFE THOUGH, HUH?

Your comment about adding 8 - 12 ounces of water is in contrast to Jim Humbles recommendation of using half a cup (4 ounces). Since there is confusion over the mixing instructions, red flags go up. It would be much better to target a specific concentration that is known to be effective rather than using imprecise measurements of drops and variable amounts of dilutant.

JIM ALSO SAYS THAT THE AMOUNT OF WATER IS NOT THE CONCERN - IT IS "HOW MUCH WATER DO YOU WANT TO DRINK TO GET THE Miracle-Mineral-Supplement DOSE INTO YOUR BODY" - HE USES 4OZ AS A STAGE-POINT, NOT SCIENTIFICALLY RELEVANT.

Your description of the chemical process reveals that you don't understand the reaction.OF

THIS LETTER WAS TO OFFER GENERAL GUIDANCE, NOT SCIENTIFIC INSTRUCTION - OF COURSE I KNOW THE CHEMICAL REACTION INVOLVED - I LEARNED BY DR. TOM HESSELINK AND RE-LEARNED IT BY STUDYING CHEMISTRY (HAVE YOU?), I AM NOT GOING TO BELABOR MY POINT, I AM NOT TRYING TO CONVINCE CHEMISTS OF THE PROCESS, "JOE FROM MONTANA" WOULD GET LOST IF I STARTED DRILLING HIM WITH THIS SORT OF FACT - THANKS FOR MISSING MY POINT AND FOCUSING ON WHAT WAS "NOT SAID" INSTEAD OF WHAT "WAS" SAID - OF COURSE THERE IS MORE TO IT - WOULD YOU HAVE KNOWN THAT WITHOUT LEARNING THIS FROM A BOOK?

A lot of testing has been done by industry to find the optimum ratio of activator to sodium chlorite for the various activating acids used. When you use too much acid (as the MMS protocol calls for) you end up with more impurities in the solution,

WATER TEMPERATURE PLAYS MORE OF A ROLE ON CHLORINE DIOXIDE EFFECTIVENESS THAN A NON-REACTIVE IMPURITY, BUT YOU "KNOW" THIS ALREADY, RIGHT? CONCENTRATIONS OF ACID IS CLEAR ON BOTH TIME AND EFFECTIVENESS, CHEMISTRY 101, PLEASE DON'T TEST ME ON THIS, I WILL BURY YOU...

and the solution produced is not as effective as one that is mixed in a proper ratio. The same goes for the activation time, but this variable seems to be less critical.

RATIO OF DROPS, ACTIVATION TIMES, NOT IMPORTANT? HOW ABOUT THE TYPE OF ACID USED, ITS CONCENTRATION, THE TIME ALLOCATED, ETC - YOU SAY "less critical" BUT THEN AGAIN - REVIEW DR. HESSELINK'S SITE BEFORE YOU CLAIM THESE FACTORS AS NON-CRITICAL... (FREE ADVICE).

When you mix sodium chlorite and citric acid (in the proper ratio) you form chlorous acid. This chlorous acid solution has some free chlorine dioxide, but is mostly made up of available chlorine dioxide. As the free chlorine dioxide comes into contact with organic material it quickly (within seconds or minutes at the most) breaks down to chlorite.

I DON'T NEED A CHEMISTRY LESSON, IT IS SUGGESTED THAT CHLORINE DIOXIDE (WHEN IN A NEUTRAL ENVIRONMENT) HAS A HALF-LIFE OF UP TO 2 HOURS, BUT HAS BEEN KNOWN TO SUSTAIN PRODUCTIVE EXISTENCE FOR UP TO 12 HOURS).

The allowable safe amount of chlorite in water is 1.0 PPM.

YOU MEAN THE RDA... (RECOMMENDED)

1 drop of MMS in 8 ounces of water has about 9 PPM chlorite, so you are recommending that people drink water that has 9 times the amount of chlorite that has been determined to be safe for consumption. While not lethal, that is against the law...

AGAIN - YOU ARE MIXING UP DEFINITIONS HERE - ASK YOURSELF "WHAT IS SODIUM CHLORITE" THEN RESEARCH SODIUM CHLORITE - RESEARCH THE MSDS, THE EPA'S HANDLING GUIDE ONLY ON SODIUM CHLORITE... THEN... DO THE SAME FOR CHLORINE DIOXIDE.. IT ANNOYS ME THAT PEOPLE TREAT BOTH AS THE SAME AND THEN MIX RELATED TESTS WITH "RECOMMENDED DOSING" RATHER THAN "LD-50" TESTS... (ITS A SHAME)

You are correct that MMS is not a drug. However, it is being advertised as a cure for malaria, HIV, H1N1, all cancers, and every other illness that people come down with. In the hands of a medical professional there is some evidence that oxidation therapy is beneficial,

"SOME" EVIDENCE? LOL, OK - THERE IS A TIME AND PLACE FOR EVERYTHING, SUCH WITH OXIDATIVE THERAPY FOR HEALTH CONCERNS..

but MMS throws that out to people who are not trained in handling dangerous chemicals, not trained in medicine and are not capable of monitoring the body for oxidative stress.

CORRECT - THIS IS WHAT I CONSIDER THE ACHILLES HEEL FOR MMS...

In addition there are no studies supporting the use of chlorine dioxide, or chlorous acid in the body.

NO STUDIES SUPPORTING CHLORINE DIOXIDE IN THE BODY? - YES - BUT THERE SHOULD BE STUDIES, THERE IS A BENEFIT TO BE OFFERED WITH APPROPRIATE RESEARCH

YOUR OWN BODY'S IMMUNE SYSTEM USES CHLOROUS ACID TO OXIDIZE PATHOGENS (HYPO-CHLOROUS ACID TO BE PRECISE)

While MMS has a good anecdotal rate of success with self diagnosed problems, it almost always falls short if the illness has been diagnosed by a medical professional.

I HAVE A FIRM ARGUMENT ABOUT THIS THAT I CAN BACK UP WITH AT LEAST 100 CUSTOMERS I HAVE DEALT WITH WHO CLAIM BEING DIAGNOSED, WHO LATER CLAIMED THEY HAVE BEEN CLEARED FROM THE DISEASE (IN REMISSION) DUE TO MMS USE.. - 100+ CASES I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH PERSONALLY.

In one long term animal study of chlorine dioxide in water, the time for the study had to be cut short because the animals contracted a pathogen that killed them.

NOT FROM ANY STUDY I HAVE READ - 20 OR MORE... THE AFRICAN GREEN MONKEYS ALL HAD EXPOSURE EFFECTS, NOT PATHOGENS. THE MICE - SAME THING...

The reason that mouthwash and toothpaste solutions are available without medical supervision is because of the very dilute amounts of sodium chlorite that are used in these products, and the fact that they are not swallowed in any quantity. Mouthwash uses around a 0.1% concentration of sodium chlorite and toothpaste uses about a concentration of 0.005%. At those concentrations sodium chlorite is safe to handle.

VERY TRUE - I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY. BUT THINK FOR A MOMENT THAT THE RDA FOR EVEN Iodine IS JUST ENOUGH TO AVOID GOITER, BUT NOT HIGH ENOUGH TO SUSTAIN THYROID HEALTH AT OPTIMUM LEVELS (FOOD FOR THOUGHT).

Sodium chlorite is a salt. It does not oxidize.

CAN YOU PLEASE GRAB YOUR HIGH SCHOOL CHEMISTRY TEXTBOOK - I CAN NOT COMMENT ON THIS WITHOUT SOUNDING CONDESCENDING...
SODIUM CHLORITE IS A SALT BASED DERIVATIVE THAT DOES OXIDIZE, IN THE TEXTBOOK, PAY PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO THE "O2" FRACTION OF THE MOLECULE... LOOK IN THE BACK OF THE BOOK FOR "STABILIZED OXYGEN" (SORRY, BUT STILL)

You need chlorine dioxide or chlorous acid to oxidize. When you activate sodium chlorite with water, trace amounts of chlorine dioxide are released, but you still need to reach the proper CT value to disinfect water.

HENCE - CONCENTRATION ISSUES

When purifying "average" wilderness water, the CT = 1000. This means that if you mix your chlorine dioxide into the water to obtain a residual of 4 PPM free chlorine dioxide after 15 minutes of introducing the chlorine dioxide to the water, the water will be safe to drink in 250 minutes, or a little over 4 hours. Simply instructing to put 8 drops in a gallon of water and it will be safe in 12 hours does not hold up to scientific testing. In the best case it would purify the water in about 15 days, but to be on the safe side you should wait 30 days before drinking.

WHERE ARE THESE NUMBERS COMING FROM? DO YOU REALIZE THAT CHLORINE DIOXIDE IS RENDERED USELESS AFTER 2 OR MORE HOURS OF ENGAGING PATHOGENS (UP TO 24 HOURS WITH SODIUM CHLORITE)... YOU ARE STARTING TO MAKE ME THINK THIS IS ALL ABOVE YOUR HEAD (PLEASE CONSIDER THIS A NEUTRAL OBSERVATION, NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK SAYING I'M BETTER THAN YOU)..

Now that the pathogens are taken care of, we now have to worry about the disinfection by products. The chlorite concentration would be 13 PPM, which is above the lawful 1.0 PPM, so once again you are directing people to drink chemically contaminated water.

NO BY-PRODUCTS EXIST UNTIL THE CHLORINE DIOXIDE IS "USED" - AND WHEN IT IS USED IN THE BODY, IT BREAKS DOWN INTO SALT AND OXLETS - MORE SALT IN A SERVING OF POTATO CHIPS THAN IN AN ENTIRE BOTTLE OF MMS..

If it is not against the law to give improper directions for water purification, it should be...

I AGREE

Let's look at adverse effects.

The adverse effects of chlorine dioxide include irritation to the airway including nose, throat, and lungs. Also, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. Higher levels of poisoning effect blood cell volume and make the blood cells fragile.

AGAIN - THESE EFFECTS ARE BECAUSE A PRODUCT IS USED IN EXCESS WITHOUT RESPECT TO ITS CAPABILITY.

High oral concentrations have an adverse effect on the enamal of the teeth.

NO IT DOESN'T - IN FACT, IT RIDS THE TEETH OF BACTERIA TO HELP RESTORE ITS STRENGTH BY REMOVING WHAT IS WEAKENING IT...

Dentists have observed this while using chlorine dioxide solutions to bleach teeth, and there are comments from people on CureZone that have also observed damage to their teeth.

I HAVE NOT HEARD OF A DENTIST USING ClO2 FOR THIS USE - INTRIGUING... USUALLY IT IS ABOUT DISINFECTANT, NOT TEETH BLEACHING...

While it is interesting to compare apples and oranges, the fact remains that sodium chlorite and chlorine dioxide solutions cause adverse effects. In fact, the MMS protocol calls for increasing the amounts used until you reach a level where adverse effects are observed. Since you claim that MMS is not a drug, why are you bring the toxicity of drugs into the conversation? Perhaps it would be better to compare it to chlorine bleach, since they are from a similar family.

WOW, NOW YOU ARE JUST GRABBING AT STRAWS... BLEACH? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? AND TO TALK ABOUT THE TOXICITY - TOXICITY EXISTS IN ALL FAUCETS OF LIFE - YOU CAN "OVER DO" ANYTHINGS, TRUST ME ON THIS...

I think we all understand that drugs are made from dangerous chemicals and are concentrated to the point where special instructions involving use and handling are needed and oversight is needed for proper monitoring. Wow, perhaps MMS does fit into the classification as a "drug..."

**REFER TO MY COMMENT ABOVE...

You go on to promote the classic misunderstanding about MMS. Water treatment uses chlorine dioxide technology to purify water. MMS involves acidified sodium chlorite technology. While both of these share chlorine dioxide, they are very different.

JUST GOOGLE SEARCH "THE OXIDES OF CHLORINE" THEN BOOKMARK THESE PAGES... IF YOU ARE GOING TO COMMENT ANYMORE, I WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD PULL INFORMATION PROVIDED...

All of the studies you refer to involving chlorine dioxide and drinking water are based upon chlorine dioxide technology. Chlorine dioxide is produced by various reactions,

SOME CHEAP, SOME EXPENSIVE, SOME LOGISTICALLY JUST MAKE SENSE... END RESULT - DIFFERENT STRENGTHS OF THE SAME SPECIES...

then it is driven off into distilled water. This stock solution is used to meter the proper concentration of chlorine dioxide into the water used for the various tests. It is also the basic way chlorine dioxide is used for water purification.

There are no studies involving adding citric acid to sodium chlorite, then giving that solution to animals or people.

REFER TO THE EPA HANDLING GUIDE AND IT STATES "ANY SUCH ACIDIFYING AGENT" - SERIOUSLY, ARE YOU JUST RANTING, OR DO YOU HAVE POINTS TO ARGUE?

When you are purifying drinking water, you are interested in using a biocide that is capable of disinfecting the water. Acidified sodium chlorite solutions act as a biostat. Different technology for different uses. A biostat is used to keep food from spoiling for the time between processing and the customer purchasing and using it. In the case of food, a biocide is ineffective in keeping the food from spoiling. That is why a biostat is used.

DID YOU CUT-N-PASTE THIS FROM SOME OBSCURE WEBSITE, HOW IS THIS RELEVANT TO YOUR ARGUMENT?

Tests have been done proving the effectiveness of chlorine dioxide solutions on hard surfaces.

HOW ABOUT MEAT AND FISH? ARE THEY "HARD SURFACES", SHESH...

When you infect a cutting board with salmonella, you need a solution containing a concentration of 100 PPM free chlorine dioxide in contact with the hard surface of the cutting board for 60 seconds for a 5 log kill.

WOW... I DON'T MEAN TO BE HARSH HERE, BUT WOW... WHERE IS YOUR AGREEMENT HEADING... I AM ABOUT TO CUT THIS RESPONSE SHORT BY CALL OF "UNSATISFACTORY REBUTTAL" I WILL TRY TO ENTERTAIN YOUR POINTS FROM HERE ON, BUT YOU SERIOUSLY ARE LABORING MY PATIENCE... - ARE ANY OF THESE POINTS UNDERSTOOD BY YOU, AND HAVE YOU DONE ANY TESTING YOURSELF, OR ARE YOU JUST REGURGITATING "FACTS" FROM WIKIPEDIA?

How much MMS is needed for a similar effectiveness inside the body? Nobody knows because these tests have not been done.

A POINT YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP FOR THE THIRD TIME - YES, MORE RESEARCH, NO, TO SUPPRESSION OF ITS USES

Industry has done the testing necessary to determine the effectiveness of chlorine dioxide. Jim Humble has not.

WOULD YOU STAKE ANYTHING ON THIS "FACT", WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT JIM HUMBLE AND HIS ABILITIES TO DO RESEARCH? YOU HAVE CROSSED A LINE BY MAKING THIS STATEMENT - WHAT RESEARCH HAVE YOU DONE FOR ANY OF THIS? CASE IN POINT - YOU PROBABLY THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT HISTORY BECAUSE YOU WATCH THE HISTORY CHANNEL...

Since the government prefers known results and shy's away from unknowns, they caution against the use of unknowns.

THE GOVERNMENT USED TO THINK THE EARTH WAS FLAT, THE GOVERNMENT USED TO THINK ILLNESS WAS CAUSED BY DEMONS.. THIS IS EVOLUTION, CONSIDER THIS SMALL FACT: THE WORLD IS BIGGER THAN THE BOX YOU LIVE IN...

If you are serious about convincing the Canadian agencies about the benefits of MMS, you should look at what then various industries have done in the way of testing and duplicate those tests on humans. Hopefully the results would be more positive than negative, and then you would have some grounds to stand on.

RESEARCH IS THE GOAL, FUNDING IS DIFFICULT BECAUSE OF MISCONCEPTIONS.. EVEN CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS HAD TROUBLES...

I believe Dr. Hesselink is trying to do this in Africa.

YOU MEAN JIM HUMBLE - DR. HESSELINK IS ON A DIFFERENT PATH IN THIS REGARD...

He has been at it for several months now, and while the initial reports are "hopeful," the use of acidified sodium chlorite solutions do not seem to be a miracle cure. Dr. Hesselink has the proper training to assess the adverse effects encountered when using these chemicals, and hopefully he understands the needs for properly documented testing and trials. If his results come back favorable, he may be in a position to challenge the authorities in Canada with something more than anecdotal comments collected from the various discussion forums and blogs.

MMS IS BIGGER THAN BLOGS, BLOGS ARE JUST THE INTERNET ANSWER TO EDITORIALS...

Your support of Jim Humbles Science suggests that he has some Science to go on. Since it appears that he is unable to determine the difference between chlorine dioxide and acidified sodium chlorite, his Science is on very shaky ground.

IT WAS HEALTH CANADA'S INCONSISTENCIES, NOT JIM HUMBLE'S...

You would be better off supporting Dr. Hesselink. He doesn't fully understand the difference either,

WHAT THE F%#* ?!? WHERE DO YOU GET OFF MAKING THIS STATEMENT? LOL... HE WOULD SMASH YOU ON THIS SUBJECT...

but he is a lot closer to understanding the possibly reactions inside the body than Jim Humble has ever been.

OPINION, BUT RELEVANT...

There is still a wide gap between what can theoretically happen and what actually happens inside the body.

CHEMISTRY DOES NOT TAKE A BACK SEAT TO OPINION - A REACTION INSIDE THE BODY WILL HAPPEN OUTSIDE THE BODY, CARE TO CHALLENGE THIS? ALSO, DO YOU KNOW WHY TEXTILES USE CHLORINE DIOXIDE? BECAUSE IT TAKES OUT COLOR OUT WITHOUT HURTING THE INTEGRITY OF THE FABRIC, KEEP THIS IN MIND...

Until there are controlled tests done that show the effectiveness of acidified sodium chlorite, and until these tests are repeatable and shown to be safe for people, it would appear that the Canadian authorities are being responsible.

I SEE YOUR POINT, BUT THEY ARE NOT WARNING, THEY ARE USING SCARE TACTICS TO CAUSE FEAR, NOT INTRIGUE.

If you would like their decisions to change, provide them with the test results that counteract their ideas. Anecdotal stories are interesting, but they are not enough.

TRUE

If they happened to read Jim Humbles book, here is an example of his flawed science. He mentions that he put 1 ml of stabilized oxygen into a glass and added 1.25 ml of acetic acid to activate it.

(DO YOU KNOW WHAT ACETIC ACID IS?)

He let the solution activate for 3 minutes, added 4 ounces of water then tested the solution for chlorine dioxide. He says he measured 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide.

A LOT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED HERE, STRENGTH, ETC.. ACCURATE TESTING CAPABILITIES, WHO KNOWS, BUT THE HYPOTHESIS WAS WELL DIRECTED

I invite you to duplicate this test at a laboratory that can measure chlorine dioxide concentrations. I come up with a little over 10 PPM every time I run the test. Jim Humble was off by a factor of 10 in his initial testing.

YOU CAN BUY CHLORINE DIOXIDE TEST STRIPS ONLINE FOR ABOUT $15.00... EVEN WITHOUT A LAB, I BET YOU CAN COLOR CO-ORDINATE FOR STRENGTHS, RIGHT?

He goes on to state that the chemical reaction within the body is completed in 12 hours. Unfortunately, testing by others has shown that chlorite has a half life of around 40 hours in the body.

I HEAR NO LONGER THAN 12 HOURS, BUT I HAVE NOT RESEARCHED THIS ENOUGH TO REFUTE YOUR COMMENT...

There is quite a difference between being completely eliminated from the body in 12 hours and having a half life of 40 hours.

WHERE IS THIS COMING FROM? PLEASE BE SPECIFIC, IT IS NOT MAKING ANY SENSE....

Jim Humble based his results on how he felt. The other test attached a radioactive isotope to the chlorine used in the chlorine dioxide and measured the actual amounts eliminated. I believe the casual observer as well as the scientist would agree that actual measurements carry more weight than an opinion.

YAWN... YOU THINK ANYONE WOULD PUBLISH SOMETHING THAT IS NOT THEIR OPINION?


Recently Jim Humble has changed his opinion. He now thinks that the chlorine dioxide is all used up in 2 hours instead of the original 12 hours. However, once again there are no test results supporting his opinion.

THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CHLORINE DIOXIDE IN ACTION AND CHLORINE DIOXIDE BEING DORMANT. IN ACTION, IT IS USED UP, BEING DORMANT ENSUES BREAKDOWN, DIFFERENT TIME FRAMES....

Since the foundation of the MMS protocol is based upon unsubstantiated and unrepeatable testing, I think Jim Humble is better off serving as Bishop of his new church.

DO YOU READ WHAT YOU WRITE? YOU SHOULD BE EMBARRASSED.

He needs to leave the proof of efficacy to those that understand chemistry and how the body works. Hopefully Dr. Hesselink and others like him will find a way to use these chemicals safely, and they may shed some light on the best use of these chemicals for oxidation within the body.

DUH....

By the way, the proper way to purify water in an emergency is to collect it from as clear a source as you can find, then filter it through a paper filter. Now you can mix 0.05 ml of 22.4% sodium chlorite with 0.05 ml of 26.9% HCl and add that to 1 gallon of water and let it sit for 10 hours. 15 minutes into the process you need to check to see that you have at least 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide. At the end of the 10 hours there should only be a slight odor, it is ready to drink and the chlorite levels are acceptable. To eliminate the odor and to remove some of the chlorite you can add 1 gram of ascorbic acid.

HAVE YOU DONE ANY RESEARCH ON THIS? WHERE IS YOUR SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION - CASTING STONES? YOU KNOW, I WAS INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU WROTE UNTIL I READ IT, YOU HAVE A FEW FRIENDS ON CUREZONE WHO PROBABLY PAT YOU ON YOUR BACK EVERY NOW AND AGAIN, BUT THIS LAST POINT YOU MADE JUST SUMS UP WHAT I THOUGHT - YOU LOVE TO HEAR YOURSELF BELITTLE AND THEN OFFER "SOLUTIONS" GET OFF YOUR SOAP BOX, DO ACTUAL RESEARCH IF YOU WANT TO ARGUE, AND DON'T EVER OFFER "FRIENDLY ADVICE" AFTER YOU SMEARED THE GUY WHO YOU STOLE THE ADVICE FROM... SHAME SHAME SHAME..

- jEFF

Tom Tweet